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Denneny's Second Proposition: Gays are Different from Straights

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K6:

--- Quote from: Mogul on Wed, Feb 01, 2006, 22:06 ---
The cultural heritage is another thing, which is certainly much more important. As we do not directly transfer our knowledge and traditions to the gay kids, much of this heritage probably goes lost for good without any notice - and this is sad.

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This is one of the main reasons for seeking an independent State of ours.This would be the only place where the transmission of gay culture and political traditions could be normally effected.We haven`t the family structure of the heterosexuals to accomplish this on our own and without a State under our exclusive political control.

K6

Mogul:
Certainly, gays are probably less fond of "saving up" money for the futture generations - but many have of course made certain investments for their older age. In what ways these savings can serve the future generations, can be of course disputed - usually some greedy relatives or legacy hunters profit from them.

The cultural heritage is another thing, which is certainly much more important. As we do not directly transfer our knowledge and traditions to the gay kids, much of this heritage probably goes lost for good without any notice - and this is sad. There are some projects in the US, Canada and Europe to preserve gay history for future generations, but it seems that they (sadly) lack financial and personal resources for their work.

K6:

--- Quote from: Mogul on Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 05:45 ---Gays have at least some very basic things in common with the straights: they need a home, a job and certain basic creature's comforts - the earthy interests of homosexuals must be taken into account as well.

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The material and economic interests appear at first glance to be the same.But gays and heterosexuals differ in an aspect much more fundamental than economics.They find themselves in different demographic situations.Their dynamic or interests aren`t the same for that matter.Under the demographic aspect,and in the course of a quest for self-determination,we will encounter problems organized heterosexual societies never had to
face.In that case,we will have to be inventive,for there is no historical precedent.But since we ourselves modified the direction of the primeval
sexual drive handed down to us by nature,we should be able to find a demographic,social and political purpose for our own orientation.

K6

Mogul:

--- Quote from: K6 on Fri, Jan 20, 2006, 13:49 ---The opportunistic would take into account that so-called good human nature,but would not ignore more earthly, egoistical,and possibly more decisive motives.Practitionners of Realpolitiks,which are the type of gay required to set up and maintain in existence an gay independent State,would take into account only the eathly interests of the heterosexual as causes of their probable actions.

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Gays have at least some very basic things in common with the straights: they need a home, a job and certain basic creature's comforts - the earthy interests of homosexuals must be taken into account as well. :) There is no reason to believe that gays wouldn't manage such things as well as straights do. There is also no real reason not to cooperate with straights where it appears usefull or morally desireable - by times sharing the same ideals with them (e.g. environmental protection or passion for Mars terraforming). On contrary, being conscious of one's very nature gives an individual a sound basis to encounter other individuals with both dignity and respect.

K6:

--- Quote from: Mogul on Thu, Jan 19, 2006, 03:34 ---Very true. We must take precautions for any coming conter-revolution - and to help those who are suffering now in other countries. A permanent territorial solution would be an ideal solution. 

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Some gays would simply not believe in any assurance given by heterosexuals,and would move to a gay country.The majority,believing in the heterosexuals`s assurances in part but,as a precautionary manner not in their entirety,would only send in material assistance,or at the most have in that gay country of ours only a vacation home.The heterosexuals`s assurances would thus be supplemented by a gay assurance,unilateral in kind.All would depend upon an analysis of the heterosexuals`s probable conduct.The idealists would dwell in the alledged good nature of humans in general,expect and long for its realization in the form of some utopia,and end up fooled as always.The opportunistic would take into account that so-called good human nature,but would not ignore more earthly, egoistical,and possibly more decisive motives.Practitionners of Realpolitiks,which are the type of gay required to set up and maintain in existence an gay independent State,would take into account only the eathly interests of the heterosexual as causes of their probable actions.

K6

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