General Forum > Politics

Denneny's First Proposition: the Definition of "Gay"

(1/15) > >>

K6:

--- Quote from: Mogul on Tue, Feb 14, 2006, 05:16 ---Entirely agreed. The feelings are decisive.

This point requires more detailed explanation. What kind of deeds and "observable or detectable homosexual tendencies" do you mean? Beyound refusal to engage in heterosexual activities of procreation, what else can a virgine gay man bring for his defence if his gayness is questioned by a jealous neighbour or a malicious political opponent?

 :=SU

--- End quote ---

Gays being humans,a flaw would indeed exist in the person implementing a definition of who is gay,whatever that definition might be.But the absence of any definition would pave the way to even more arbitrary decisions.Heterosexuals have no definition of who is an heterosexual,and
they do not really need one: they have the numbers and hold the political power.Whomever they decide not to regard as heterosexual is not
heterosexual in their eyes.Without appeal.

K6

Mogul:

--- Quote from: K6 on Tue, Feb 14, 2006, 04:04 ---[..] An individual could have never actually been involved in homosexual intercourse,and yet be regarded as gay. [..]
--- End quote ---

Entirely agreed. The feelings are decisive.


--- Quote from: K6 on Tue, Feb 14, 2006, 04:04 ---[..] But then,there must exist deeds pointing out to a refusal pure and simple to adhere in any way to heterosexuality,caused by observable or detectable homosexual tendencies.
--- End quote ---

This point requires more detailed explanation. What kind of deeds and "observable or detectable homosexual tendencies" do you mean? Beyound refusal to engage in heterosexual activities of procreation, what else can a virgine gay man bring for his defence if his gayness is questioned by a jealous neighbour or a malicious political opponent?

 :=SU

K6:

--- Quote from: Mogul on Tue, Feb 14, 2006, 02:18 ---
§ 13. Being gay or lesbian makes an individual eligible to gain affiliation to a territorial or non-territorial gay-lesbian political entity ("gay state"). The affiliation requires assertion of being gay or lesbian and an avowal towards the gay state.

--- End quote ---

In the GPR,it is a bit different.Allegiance towards the homosexual orientation is required,either in an exclusive or predominant manner.An individual could have never actually been involved in homosexual intercourse,and yet be regarded as gay.But then,there must exist deeds pointing out to a refusal pure and simple to adhere in any way to heterosexuality,caused by observable or detectable homosexual tendencies.

K6

K6:

--- Quote from: Mogul on Tue, Feb 14, 2006, 02:18 ---
§ 10. Men and women typically can be sexually attracted to ether the opposite sex, to their own sex, or to both sexes. They can be accordingly roughly classified as heterosexuals, homosexuals or bisexuals.

--- End quote ---

The category improperly called "bisexual" is not recognized by the GPR.The GPR sorts all adults as heterosexuals or gays,based on the exclusivity or predominance of heterosexuality or of homosexuality.Failing an explanation in a situation of incorrectly labled bisexuality,heterosexuality is regarded as predominant.Minors might be regarded as without precise or settled sexual orientation.Definition of a minor according to the normative system of the GPR: "Is to be regarded as a minor anyone who has not yet reached the stage where he is in position to assume the reproduction,the custody and the rearing of human beings" (Code of the GPR,art.73,law of march14,1979).No specific age has been established for the transition between minority and majority,because the onset of puberty could vary depending upon environmental factors or evolution.

K6

Mogul:
I have posted a reply to a definition of "gay" by GPR in alt.politics.micronations. It is mostly my personal contribution to the problematics of being gay/something different. Though it might look like a code, it is simply a primitive approach to the issue, ordered in a way it seemed logical to me.

K6, "Your definitions are very effective in preventing any heterosexual (or suspected heterosexual) from fraudulently assuming the precious name "gay", this much is true. On the other hand, using such tight definitions would inevitably cause exclusion of many factual
homosexuals from being "gay" contrary to their declared will and self-perception.

My personal definitions would be as following:

§ 1. Human beings have an identity, which first allows them to percept themeselves as persons.
§ 2. Each human being creates his/her/its identity by him/her/itselfe, depending on the  incorporated values and on historical, ethnic, gender and sexual background.
§ 3. The human identity is subject of permanent development and re-construction, since humans learn in the pace of their lives and may re-think their values with progressed knowledges and life experience.
§ 4. Human beings can be born as biological males, females or intersexuals (hermaphrodites).
§ 5. The intersexuality is a complex issue and is subject of current medical research. The state has a duty to protect intersexual individuals from operative treatment directed towards arbitrary adjustment either to the "male" or "female" habitus. Due to its complexity, the issue ought be treated separately.
§ 6. The cultural definition as a "man" or a "woman" is a societal invention, connected to certain social roles, and does not entirely correspond with the biological appearence of human beings.
§ 7. In case the self-perception as a "man" or a "woman" is contrary to the biological gender of the individual, the person is called transgender (transsexual). Any fancy attitude of wearing specific cloth or body decoration does not classify the person as being of particular gender.
§ 8. An individual is free to identify his/her/itself as a "man" or a "woman", as somewhere in between, as being of the "third sex", or completely refuse to assume a gender identity.
§ 9. Intersexuals and transgender ought be treated separetely, therefore §§ 10-13 do not apply to them.
§ 10. Men and women typically can be sexually attracted to ether the opposite sex, to their own sex, or to both sexes. They can be accordingly roughly classified as heterosexuals, homosexuals or bisexuals.
§11. The actual sexual behavior does not necessarily correspond with the inner sexual orientation of a person. Juvenile homosexuals are often socialized as heterosexuals and pressed into heterosexual behaviour, inclusive heterosexual marriage and "natural" procreation. Homosexual acts between intrinsic heterosexuals (as they occur e.g. in prisons or in the army) do not entail re-classification of these individuals as homo- or bisexuals.
§ 12. Male and female homosexuals who are aware of their sexuality and regard it to be an important part of their identity, are gays or lesbians respectively. Previous heterosexual experiences, descendency or closeted lifestile in strongly hostile environment do not constitute impedimenta to being gay or lesbian. Homosexuals who participate in activities directed against homo-, bi-, intersexuals and transgenders as a group are not gay or lesbian.
§ 13. Being gay or lesbian makes an individual eligible to gain affiliation to a territorial or non-territorial gay-lesbian political entity ("gay state"). The affiliation requires assertion of being gay or lesbian and an avowal towards the gay state.
§ 14. Bisexuals, intersexuals and transgender can gain affiliation to a territorial or non-territorial gay-lesbian political entity ("gay state"), if their individual case fits rather into homosexual pattern than into heterosexual one. They must provide an avowal towards the gay state as well.
§ 15. Human beings have the right to freely discover their sexuality complying to their individual biological and mental development. Pressing on a child to correspond with pre-defined sexual role behavior violates the right for sexual self-determination. Sexual intercourse with pre-adolescent individuals violates their right for sexual self-determination and might cause severe emotional distress or serious mental problems. Enforcing sexual intercourse against the will of a person is a very severe crime. Offenders shall be prosecuted considering the age of the victim and the actual harm they have caused.
§16. The gay state must provide asylum to any person persecuted because of sexual orientation or sexual identity, even if this person does not fulfill the conditions for becoming a citizen.
"

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[#] Next page