Jeff, you apparently absolutely didn't understand what I actually have said. Neither do I oppose anyone have straight or gay children, nor do I oppose gay people having children.
I solely oppose that motion of you, that raising children has something to do with gay emancipation or gay culture.
Gay procreation contributes to both gay emancipation and gay culture (and many other areas) by contributing to gay
development.
Vicky, I've said all this before. I'll try to restate it here briefly. The way I see it there are three dimensions to sexuality identity. By sexuality identity I mean those who identify as one of the three primary sexualities: homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual. These three dimensions are the sexual dimension, the social dimension, and the cultural dimension. The sexual dimension (sexual attraction) provides the furnace; it's the driving force, the engine. The social dimension is the community and family organization; how we interact as a people. And the cultural dimension incorporates the arts and entertainment; it's the civilizing force, the creative and intellectual exploration of oneself and one's people. It's the intermeshing of these three areas which brings a three-dimensional structure to life. Gay people are not inferior to heterosexuals, they are simply less developed. Not so much in the sexual area, but in the social and cultural areas.
Therefore, one of our most primary goals should be to encourage and achieve this group development as fully as possible. Not for the purpose of mimicking anyone, but for our own benefit as individuals, as couples, as families, as communities, and as a people.
The area of social development can be said to include structures that encourage (or at the very least provide an institution for) love, marriage, family, and community. All of these add further options that each individual can choose from. They're additional choices. They expand the range of possibilities, and by doing so they expand the group's scope of development. Gay procreation falls under the social development dimension. It clearly would represent another option, and therefore an
expansion of gay development. And since developing ourselves to our full potential is the goal, gay procreation would help us in this respect. Not pursuing gay procreation, on the other hand, would represent a
limitation of gay social development. This is just basic common sense.
While I can't be sure what your reasons for refusing to accept this are, I suspect they have something to do with your gay nation agenda. Clearly, gay citizens having children might lead to a reduction and eventually eradication of any gay majority in such a nation. In your mind, gay procreation might therefore constitute a threat, and this could account for your hostility to it (at least, as you state, until it can be guaranteed to produce a 90% or more gay ratio) and your trivilization of its contributions to our social development. You might also find it threatening that gay parents would love their straight children, and consequently not distrust heterosexuals enough for your taste - which would further undermine your agenda of a gay nation by reducing the number of potential recruits or supporters.
The problem here, I think, is that your definition of homosexuality is simply outdated. It's old-school homosexuality. Gay people ARE starting families. Gay people ARE having children. Gay and straight people ARE taking the first steps in starting to learn how to live together. This is not speculative. I think a further problem might be your contention that reproduction is a heterosexual event rather than a human event. Since gay people are able to reproduce, and are reproducing, your definition here is flawed as well. By engaging the natural order of procreation, gay people only enhance their position as a legitimate people - since one of the requirements of such a people is the ability to self-replicate and self-sustain oneself. What further sign of gay emancipation do you need than the emancipation of our dependency on heterosexuals to produce and raise us? Only by gay procreation can we achieve this level of emancipation. It also frees us from having to count on adoption (with its required heterosexual approval) as our sole source of children for child rearing.
Come on, Vicky. Look around you. Do you seriously expect large amounts of people to choose the sort of militant propaganda your proposing over integration and a possible family life? People are sick and tired of this Us vs. Them paranoia. I know I am. You, of course, are free to think and believe and advocate what you wish. That is your choice. But closing one eye to the gay world around you does not mean that your vision is enhanced. Or accurate.
A quick P.S.: As far as misunderstanding what you wrote, your words were very clear. You might have misstated your position, but as it was written - I understood it quite well.