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Leoroc:
Well we could always call the gay special forces the "Sacred Band" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes
Athrael:
--- Quote from: Mogul on Sun, May 27, 2007, 20:29 ---This Bizantine diplomacy sounds well. ;D However,I wish to remind you that Gays make only some 5 - 6% of the world population, and that the territorial city-state would accomodate a tiny percentage of us. The big straight world can certainly do well without os spending our scarse ressources to tamper poverty-plagued countries' benevolence. Mind you, all the Gays living in Diaspora will still continue to pay taxes to their respective governments already, instead of paying their taxes to the Gay State. If at all, the Government of the Gay State will be forced to bribe poor countries in the immediate neighbourhood of the city-state, to secure it's mere existence. But there will be certainly ways to establish cooperation with other countries - being a supranational structure in its nature, the Gay State will certainly have good connections to the industriallized areas of the world. Will we have many friends? I doubt it - but if a few enemies will be forced to calm down, it will be a victory. Diplomacy is a means of war, too.
The insular position might be the best fom the military view. A couple of ships can be distributed over the surrounding waters to guarantee no hostile aircraft can approach the island in one piece.
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--- Quote ---However,I wish to remind you that Gays make only some 5 - 6% of the world population,
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The USA holds about 1% of the population of Earth yet holds 20% of its wealth. Right after the X-mas Tsunami, there was a debate about how much each nation was donating to the cause, the USA was "shamed" into donating more when countries like the Dutch were donating a larger percentage of their GNP (Got to love the Dutch.)
--- Quote ---The big straight world can certainly do well without os spending our scarse ressources to tamper poverty-plagued countries' benevolence.
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Sure the straight world can, but it doesn't. This leaves us with a wide open territory to demonstrate that the GLBT nation serves the whole world in ways that no other nation appears to be able to do.
Scarcity of resources depends on how the GLBT Nation approaches business and industry. If it seeks to place its industry in the lines of limited resources then those resources will be scarce. Needless to say the GLBT Nation will have the opportunity to start off on the right foot, meaning seek to establish itself on the renewable resources path. If it decides to plant and grow its materials, alcohol fuel, food, etc - then with a little more sweat equity can it reap a larger bounty. There are ways to make a little land produce a lot more product than currently used globally - the relative wealth of land for other nations has lead to squandering of those resources and using methods which produce lower than optimal product.
--- Quote ---Mind you, all the Gays living in Diaspora will still continue to pay taxes to their respective governments already, instead of paying their taxes to the Gay State.
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That will chiefly be their choice. They will choose to live where they live for their own personal reasons. At the same time we can not collect taxes from them I seriously doubt that we can expect support from them when their personal home(s) are at risk. To be honest I think we should expect little to no help from them in the early years, and little help later on. Unless we can get them to invest something - some real solid interest in the GLBT nation - going back to the notion that the GLBT nation will be a corporation set up - investors ("free" society GLBT) - people are selfish, its in the nature of the species - if they have something of value (to them) on the line then they will be more interested.
I would even suggest caution on their political help should their "homeland" get froggy. At home interests always come before distance interests.
--- Quote ---But there will be certainly ways to establish cooperation with other countries - being a supranational structure in its nature, the Gay State will certainly have good connections to the industriallized areas of the world.
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Don't count on it. You ask most of the GLBT about a Gay Nation and they react negatively to the notion - it sounds like separatism to them, it sounds like volunteering to go to the concentration camp. It will take years and decades for the idea to grow on the GLBT in self imposed diaspora to accept the GLBT nation. Once (and if) the GLBT nation proves itself to be more than just a glorified concentration camp.
--- Quote ---The insular position might be the best fom the military view. A couple of ships can be distributed over the surrounding waters to guarantee no hostile aircraft can approach the island in one piece.
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An island or a group of islands is well suited for military protection. With modern weapons and technologies (sonar, radar - long range and medium ranged weapons) an island is a fortress.
However the use of a few well placed long ranged missiles (even conventional ones) are enough to take out a small island or a chain of islands. Missiles are still difficult to take out once launched. of course we can assume that that technology will change in future.
Mogul:
--- Quote from: Athrael on Sat, May 26, 2007, 21:38 ---Secondly we should strive toward other humanitarian goals. Granted our agenda will seek to help GLBT first, but it would be wise to curry favor in the rest of the world by being a source of humanitarian good will. If, as example, we adopt mariculture (food and pharmaceuticals) as part of our main economics, we would sell a large percentage of our products in the free world market, we would also donate a substantial chunk to those nations where poverty demands help. Politically it will force the bigger nations and national conglomerates to have to stand next to us and defend us against "rouge nations". It is more difficult to start a war with a humanitarian nation that it is with one that appears indifferent to the rest of the world.
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This Bizantine diplomacy sounds well. ;D However,I wish to remind you that Gays make only some 5 - 6% of the world population, and that the territorial city-state would accomodate a tiny percentage of us. The big straight world can certainly do well without os spending our scarse ressources to tamper poverty-plagued countries' benevolence. Mind you, all the Gays living in Diaspora will still continue to pay taxes to their respective governments already, instead of paying their taxes to the Gay State. If at all, the Government of the Gay State will be forced to bribe poor countries in the immediate neighbourhood of the city-state, to secure it's mere existence. But there will be certainly ways to establish cooperation with other countries - being a supranational structure in its nature, the Gay State will certainly have good connections to the industriallized areas of the world. Will we have many friends? I doubt it - but if a few enemies will be forced to calm down, it will be a victory. Diplomacy is a means of war, too.
The insular position might be the best fom the military view. A couple of ships can be distributed over the surrounding waters to guarantee no hostile aircraft can approach the island in one piece.
Athrael:
--- Quote from: Mogul on Wed, May 16, 2007, 06:44 ---
Something different makes me worry: what would be the most favourable position for the Gay State be, from the military point of view? The world in the next future will be most probably multipolare, since we can expect the formation of some supranational structures on all continents. It also seems that in each region there are one-two majour countries which tend to dominate regional politics and economy. In North America it's the US, in South America it's Brazil, in Asia it's China and India, in Africa it's Nigeria (South Africa?), and in Europe it's probably Germany-France axe.
Now, what are the military prospectives for a Gay State to be located somewhere in some or other hemisphere? We already have discussed the location on a mainland surrounded by large friendly neighbour country (Canada, Brazil ?), as opposed to an insular position etc. Now, is it really so smart to rely on the constant friendship of a close neighbour? What if such a country turns less Gay-friendly? Shall we pay more attention to the dominant religions in such a country (even in the entire region), or rather calculate with the short-time political advantage?
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At first the GLBT nation will have to rely on its allies nearly 100% for its military defense. However it will also have to build up its own military, seeking for a defensive posture in the years to come. Air superiority is the best to date he who rules the sky rules the war. However we are all well aware of how expensive that that venture can be. We will have to rely heavily upon the protection of bigger allies in the early years, but I suspect that we will also be able to broker deals toward building up a stock-pile of military arms and equipment while working toward building the infrastructure and design of our own weapons.
The policies of the GLBT nation will have to be toward neutrality. We will not voice an opinion on most of the global issues, or pick sides in such things like this War on Terror. Our focus on bring the GLBT out of those nations where being GLBT is a death sentence or a sentence of imprisonment should afford us some allies who will view this as a humanitarian project.
Secondly we should strive toward other humanitarian goals. Granted our agenda will seek to help GLBT first, but it would be wise to curry favor in the rest of the world by being a source of humanitarian good will. If, as example, we adopt mariculture (food and pharmaceuticals) as part of our main economics, we would sell a large percentage of our products in the free world market, we would also donate a substantial chunk to those nations where poverty demands help. Politically it will force the bigger nations and national conglomerates to have to stand next to us and defend us against "rouge nations". It is more difficult to start a war with a humanitarian nation that it is with one that appears indifferent to the rest of the world.
As time progressed and we develop a defensive force (military) we would still work toward solidifying our friendships with our allies.
Total military dependence on any nation will ultimately make us a servant to its needs and desires. If not by force then by the threat that it could pull its protections from us in a time of need. And yes if you are part of the region and rely solely on that region to protect you then independence will not actually be.
I imagine that the grown of a GLBT military would stem from internal police/security where ground warfare will be trained. Then the second main objective would be some sort of defensive armory, ground to air, ground to ground/sea hardware that is easy to control and can be managed by few men and women. Lastly the building of a fleet of ships/aircraft working toward the goal of mastery of the skies above it.
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The GLBT Military will have to be different from other Nation's. It can not focus on all three aspects of land, sea and air with different branches. Air is important and strategically a must have. Land or Sea will depend much on where the GLBT nation is physically. If land locked then having ground forces is important, if on an island or in the ocean then a Navy is more important for military defense. If it has a shore on the sea and land, it will have to combine the two forces into one, say a "marines" sort of thing.
Ultimately the military is going to have to wear many hats. Not only acting as a defensive front line against hostile attacks, but it should also function as internal police, coast guard, forestry division, etc. Again our policies must be ones of peace, they must be ones to prevent us from starting war. Our military must then function as a peaceful venture that can easily switch to a defensive posture against hostile activities.
Mogul:
--- Quote from: Athrael on Sun, May 13, 2007, 10:07 ---Please do expect wolves in sheep's clothing - spies will be sent in to the GLBT Nation, they will report back everything and anything that that nation does. That intel will be "interpreted" most likely through bigoted eyes.
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Didn't K6 once suggest to spread certain rumors about what happens with hostile agents captured by the homosexuals? ;D No need for the rumors to be true, but think of a heterosexual spy in an entirely Gay society! Think, as an American spy in Russia, you can learn to speak Russian without too many pains, but those straight spies will be required to learn totally different skills, to appear credible...
Something different makes me worry: what would be the most favourable position for the Gay State be, from the military point of view? The world in the next future will be most probably multipolare, since we can expect the formation of some supranational structures on all continents. It also seems that in each region there are one-two majour countries which tend to dominate regional politics and economy. In North America it's the US, in South America it's Brazil, in Asia it's China and India, in Africa it's Nigeria (South Africa?), and in Europe it's probably Germany-France axe.
Now, what are the military prospectives for a Gay State to be located somewhere in some or other hemisphere? We already have discussed the location on a mainland surrounded by large friendly neighbour country (Canada, Brazil ?), as opposed to an insular position etc. Now, is it really so smart to rely on the constant friendship of a close neighbour? What if such a country turns less Gay-friendly? Shall we pay more attention to the dominant religions in such a country (even in the entire region), or rather calculate with the short-time political advantage?
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