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K6:

--- Quote from: Mogul on Wed, Jun 21, 2006, 08:13 ---Very true - most are dictatorships, especially the ones existing only on the internet.

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There is also in micronationalist circles the phenomenon called YAMO (Yet Another Micronational Organisation),a sort of power play in the course of which certain micronations try to control others by way of formal juridical structures ressembling the UN.These of course and eventually collide with reality,no YAMO having the physical power to compel a micronation to join or stay.They collapse as houses of cards when they are faced for example with a conflict between two micronations,with the pretention but not the power to arbitrate it.Nowadays,micronationalists seem to prefer informal internet forums,where they precisely poke fun at YAMOs which they deem,not without reason,to be failures.

K6

Mogul:

--- Quote from: K6 on Wed, Jun 21, 2006, 07:41 ---Micronations also and sometimes try hard to give themselves the outward appearances and trappings of democracies,whereas they are actually either absolute monarchies or dictatorships.
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Very true - most are dictatorships, especially the ones existing only on the internet. It is, of course, up to the micronation in question to establish any RL structures - as always, good intentions must be followed by practical steps.

K6:

--- Quote from: Mogul on Wed, Jun 21, 2006, 06:01 ---Ahem, in this particular thread Fridet has requested some suggestions for his project, which is (from what I can judge) is open for both gays and straights, without any specially gay orientation of the state.

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Fridet appears to be a micronation.Micronationalism,as far as I know it,is an essentially male political hobby.Like this forum,and for similar reasons,it attracts an exclusively or almost exclusively male participation,not homosexual in erotic behavior of course,but certainly homosexual in terms of social interaction.Micronations also and sometimes try hard to give themselves the outward appearances and trappings of democracies,whereas they are actually either absolute monarchies or dictatorships.This is not visible in the constitutions they sometimes give themselves.But this is obvious in the way they appear on the scene or dissapear from it,that is suddently.Or by the way they are represented,generally and always by the same person over a certain number of years.I do no say by that that all micronations are one man shows.But their existence and representation towards other micronations or towards the rest of the world rest on one individual.I should know,for I represent myself a micronation in another forum,and still have a participation in internet micronational forums dating back to the fall of 1998.

K6

Mogul:

--- Quote from: K6 on Tue, Jun 20, 2006, 13:29 ---The only available agent we have at hand is the gay individual.If we settled for a modest goal,like for example the one of defining the tasks of a gay separatist in the real world as it now exists,we could have something implementable right away,even on a defined territorial basis if we so wish.We should define the people,its cultural characteristics and its historical political functions at grass root level,before we try to define a government it doesn`t have and could not operate in the real world.

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Ahem, in this particular thread Fridet has requested some suggestions for his project, which is (from what I can judge) is open for both gays and straights, without any specially gay orientation of the state. My suggestions are intended for the constitution of Fridet and not for the constitution of the Gay State we are usually discussing. A bonmot of Oscar Wilde suggests that one shall never critizise the author for not achieving a goal he never intended.  ::)

This be said, I agree that we indeed shall define our people and its cultural characteristics - the issue of "Who is gay" still remains controversial and can be discussed there.

K6:

--- Quote from: Mogul on Tue, Jun 20, 2006, 07:36 ---My are some suggestions for a rather simple Constitutional Monarchy, them being of course only key points, mostly sorting them into 2 categories: a) The State and b) The Rights. The basic idea was to ballance the powers, especially preventing the King to change legislation at his pleasure. Of course, your Constitution shall meet the realities of your nation: a small group of people requires simple and easy to follow legal construction (with much of the power in the hands of the nobility), whereas a larger population will seek for a more elaborate piece of law. With growing complexity of your society you can improve the Constitution, you only must make sure that such change is legally possible.

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In macropolitical reality,gays have neither an independent State nor a government of their own.A definition and division of governmental powers
could always be designed on their behald and in abstracto,but could not be implemented and thus would have no political reality.The only available agent we have at hand is the gay individual.If we settled for a modest goal,like for example the one of defining the tasks of a gay separatist in the real world as it now exists,we could have something implementable right away,even on a defined territorial basis if we so wish.We should define the people,its cultural characteristics and its historical political functions at grass root level,before we try to define a government it doesn`t have and could not operate in the real world.

K6

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