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[Mogul]

Ach je, Bill got lost his other occupation - Dale dismissed him from his offices as "Chief Justice" and "Lord Chancellor"... Poor Bill, he's back to the stand of commoners! Probably, he never imagined this could ever happen to him. Unless Bill and the GLK's parliament will declare "His Imperial Majesty" to be unable to sign anything due to his agitable mind, they are indeed all out of business. The most person to feel pity for is probably the last LP Jon Matlick, who indeed believed into the project till the end.

[Feral]

While it hardly matters, Mr. Freeman really is liscenced to practice law in the state of Alabama. A civil law notary is a variety of lawyer peculiar to the states of Alabama and Florida. Civil law notaries should not be confused with notaries public, which are quite another beast all together.

[Solo]

You know, Dale is a twit.  I emailed him and let him know why the kingdom is doomed to failure, just before I terminated my subscription to The Lebian & Gay Kingdom Y! Group.  He lacks leadership skills, drive, as well as vision.  A complete waste of my time...  the only good thing to come of it was Vicky's email. I should've known it was going to be corrupt when I did the research on that Notary Public, William whatever-his-middle-initial-is Freeman, who is trying to pass himself off as a lawyer.  He's that Group's WebMaster, which is the only reason I toned down my originally scathing post (without bad words, hehehe).  *sigh*  Just rotten.

[Mogul]

OK, guys, I think it is enough now. Dale may have his mistakes and he also has written me ugly e-mails (very close to blackmail), but there is no need to kick a lying man once more. Please-please-please be polite, even if you want say clear words. It is true that Dale performs complete foolish actions, but to say he is a fool is clearly not polite. As Dale is not member of this forum, he also has no direct possibility to reply in this thread (he might, of course, do it in the Café). I am sure he is wonderfull son, cousine, brother and whatever... This does not change the factum that he is rather an incapable Emperor.

Anyone here who wishes to kick me for suppression of free speech and a teacher-like habits? Just try! I never object you having an opinion, as long as this opinion is very close to my own!

[Gunnar]

A fool is a fool is a fool.
In this case, I declare first, that all of the following is my proofed, but personal opinion.

I state - and again, this is my personal responsibility - the following:

Dale Parker Anderson is a liar (*) a defrauder (*) and thief.
Dale Parker Anderson has written an email to me, warning me about the "clear breech of copy right" because of the use of the rainbow flag on my site, and claimed that he owns the copyright. He also tried to blackmail me, or at least he tried to set me under pressure, to remove said flag. Otherwise he would like to sue me. HE MAY.
As a normal human being I honestly don't know why he forgot to take his drugs.
There is no more warning towards the GLK needed. They have too much money left, I guess.
On a personal note: The staff of Gay Newsboard had have a very good laugh that day that "Daleism" cames into the mailbox. Fun. Really.
Do you know the difference between a fool, and idiot and a clown ? No? Ask Dale... he should be able to speak out of experience.
Has anyone taken offense now - except Dale? Okay, there I have aimed at

Gunnar

(*) can be proofed by any legal means.

[donClark]

I have read everything that he wrote, and do I believe a word he said  NO. but your right.  lets forget and move on, let them play and we shal do real work to get a safe place for gay people.

[Mogul]

So, here is a link to the compillation of the said e-mail exchange: http://de.geocities.com/vanrozenheim/GLK/lawsuit_GLK.htm

Just read and forget as we should not let them press us to do what they want. We will proceed with our work and not let us be driven by the anger over GLK's officials. This was our first confrontation with someone, in future more serious conflicts may come to us. I think about the possibility that some militant homophobes could also write to us and promise not just a law-suit, but some physical violence and the like. It will be necessary to stay cool and not let them disturb us.

Hugs, Vicky

[donClark]

he states that he doe not allow anyone to be hummuliated or degraded on his website, that is joke, they did it to me, what an jerk, oh well, just forget him, lets move on....

[Mogul]

Dear Peter,

thank you for your support. I have had a little amusing day answering Dale's numerous e-mails and trying to resolve the problem in a sensible way, because contrarily to Dale's assumption I am not intended to devote my entire live to damaging of his reputation. Unfortunately, Dale insisted on completely removing all critical remarks about him. This wish could not be granted. Dale has made several mistakes in connection with the GLK, one of them was providing "borrowed" pictures to the public. Upon violent discussions in the GLK yahoo group and when it became impossible to deny the fact, he finally admitted that mistake and apologized to the Privy Council (interestingly, not to the gay people). I think any man of honor would recognize his mistake and bear consequences, but Dale is intended to forget as quickly as possible and to law-suit people who remember him of his past faults. The said threats of legal actions against me came few days after the Privy council published fresh pictures of Dale's trip to Cato, as there finally was some kind of proof in their hands.

I do not want to make this drama a big politicum here, as it is really not serving interests of the GLBT community. We should proceed with our own business and let the GLK not steal our time, guys. There is enough real work to do. I will make a compillation of my correspondence with Dale to let you know what it's all about.

@ Peter: I had my reasons when I voted for the maintenance of a bad-word list, honey! And heartily thanks you for quick help, my friend!

@ Feral and KT: Many thanks to you guys as well, for your support and advice! It helped me not to make something I could regret later.

[Vizier]

Isn't it interesting that when it comes to "damages" perceived by this complete fool, his imperial ridiculousness resorts to Australia's legal system? I wonder if people involved in the GLK are aware of what a coward, cad, bounder and fool they have at their helm, which may explain why they are scared of the GLR, why they are trying so hard to intimidate us.  Here is the answer just received from this fool.  Spelling is altogether his. I think my previous assertions are being borne out.

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your e-mail, I regret to inform you that this matter is now out of my hands and is in the hands of my legal team here in Brisbane, Australia as the complaint has now been lodged.

My lawyers are certain that several of Mr. Zimmermanm's comments are libelous, without question toward me and my involvement, and are based on several facially
obvious lies. Practically every statement on the Gay Republic web site is false and has no other purpose than defamation of others, and as such I am sure those who wrote the site will learn these statements are not privileged nor condoned by law.

It is the belief of my legal team that the language used on the site is clearly intended to be malicious, and unless an apology is publicly stated on your web site informing those who read the site that some of the information contained in its pages are false, incorrect, and based on lies, rumour and gossip I will be proceeding with what ever my lawyers may recommend.

As stated this matter is now out of my hands, thank you for your assistance in this matter, all I ask is that Mr Zimmerman remove his comments and posts a message of an apology on his web site.

I have no hard feelings towards him personally or to you, I wish Mr Zimmermanm and all his supporters the very best of luck with what you are trying to achieve with your republic, I know first hand how difficult and stressful a task it can be, I personally had hoped that the Coral Sea Islands could have became a republic rather than a Kingdom but this was not possible because of the Australian Court system.

The GLK does not defame others nor does it defame Mr Zimmermanm or those who support him, why he is doing this to me is something I find hurtful and confusing. He has never spoken to me until I emailed him a few days ago, asking him to remove the offending material from his site. If he had issues or problems or questions about the GLK all he needed was to ask me personally for clarification or documentation and I would have gladly forwarded him copies, this he has not done.

I ask that he remove all reference to the GLK from his www.gayrepublic.org site we have no reference to this site on our gay kingdom site nor do I allow anyone to be degrade or humiliated publicly on the site.

I my have another planed appointment this Friday June 17th at 10am with my lawyers here in Brisbane and will be following their legal advice on this matter, unless a public apology is posted on the gay republic web site and the offending material is removed Mr Zimmermanm can expect to face the full force of the Australian Law and will be required to meet any damages that the court’s impose.

Dale Parker Anderson


Comments: Australia's courts have jurisdiction only in Australia, Dale.  And with all the material you bombarded Viktor with, we have more than enough to answer and call your bluff. I love his "legal team" references. What a buffoon!

[Vizier]

Hello all. You may not be aware of this, but "his imperial majesty" Dale I of the GLK has it in for us. Apparently our little group's homepages have so offended this stooge that he is threatening a lawsuit against Vicky. His tone, in a barrage of e-mails aimed at trying to get Vicky to back down and recant the information about the dubious founding of the GLK and its claims to "independence," has been abusive and insulting, yet Dale claims he is the one who is being maligned.  I will therefore post the full text of my letter to him I wrote today:

Dear "emperor" Dale:
 
I am the webmaster for the website Gayrepublic.org and am, as such, involved in this threatened legal matter. You should also be aware that Viktor Zimmermann is not aware in advance of what I am writing to you in this e-mail, nor have I discussed this writing with him in advance. Please respond accordingly.
 
I am currently discussing with Viktor changing the content you so vehemently object to in order to smooth your obviously ruffled "imperial" feathers and allow you to return to "governing" through imperial decree your many millions of subjects on your vast landmass, the Australian-owned island of Cato, which is listed as such in every atlas worldwide and acknowledged as such by every legally and diplomatically recognized government on this planet as of today's date. Far be it from me to disturb your "imperial" days of leisure at the "royal palace" on "Heaven"! Our intent is merely to offer millions of gay people worldwide a truly free, democratic alternative to your organization (which appears to be more fantastic than if Michael Eisner were to declare the combined territories of the Disney "empire" independent tomorrow). Toward that end, our website informs visitors in numerous locations and in several languages of our intent and purpose and also offers numerous disclaimers as to the fact that we do not yet have any territory, but, then again, neither do you, legally and strictly speaking...
 
We are debating as to how to replace the information you have taken such a strong dislike to with some data that will cause you less ire, but with material which will not deflect from the fact that other sources have supplied Viktor with data which casts doubt upon your operation's true legal standing, its territorial claims and the fact that while you might wish the GLK to be an actual reality, it is thus far no more real than our concept of a Gay & Lesbian Republic. And therein lies the main intent of our history page -- despite all of your legal sabre-rattling and pictures of plaques, you cannot show us an actual photo of yourself and those first few pioneering members of your "privy council" on Cato's beach planting that rainbow flag, now can you?

Most people, I believe, would have supposed that on such a momentous occasion (which your website nearly likens to the second coming of Christ for all gay people worldwide) would have been captured on camera, in still photos and probably with audio soundbytes. Most people would also suppose that such materials would subsequently have been publicized widely not only on your website, but also the world over in an attempt to gather public momentum behind your (spurious) attempts at seizing control of a coral atoll from its rightful owners through dubious legal manoeuvering.  However, that does not seem to be the case. Your website lacks such important materials, and I have, after exhaustive searching of the internet, yet to be able to find any photographic or other materials such as those I delineate above anywhere, save for the few photos used on the GLK's website, which are quite obviously taken from the source we indicate on our history page and used without any disclaimer as representing the supposed events you claim took place. As you are not in a position to supply any evidence corroborating the events and dates you claim on the GLK's website, it would appear that your entire effort at having a "land mass" is truly built on "clay feet" as we have asserted.
 
As an "olive branch" offer, allow me to suggest that I will be happy to modify our content to reflect the incontrovertible facts I have just outlined above.
 
On the other hand, should you be able to provide us with an actual, unretouched photo of yourself and your landing party planting that rainbow flag on Cato on the date you indicate on your website, we will be happily and immediately moved to change our history page altogether to reflect such evidence.
 
Allow me to remark that my own dealings with your organization were extremely unsatisfactory and disappointing -- so much so that I (with many others who voiced this opinion in those very Yahoo! chat rooms you deign beneath your "imperial" stature to grace with your presence) began to suspect that your group is running a very suspicious and shaky operation which could, by some, be miscontrued to be a scheme meant to defraud people out of their hard earned cash by selling them citizenship in something nonexistant, the GLK. It is a well-known fact that there are numerous organizations in existance today who make money by preying on unsuspecting individuals seeking stature and exclusivity by offering them worthless, sometimes fraudulent, citizenship in nonexistent nations. Toward that end, allow me to direct your valuable attention to  Fake Citizenships and other Scams and many other similar websites debunking these schemes.
 
After I had joined your organization's Yahoo! chat group, I was offered the chance to "purchase" citizenship in the GLK. When I exchanged comments with others in your forum as to how I could purchase something that does and cannot yet (despite all of your jingoistic assertions to the contrary on the GLK's website) exist, I was attacked vehemently by several of your "citizens" and no explanation was forthcoming.
 
When I also commented that according to Debrett's and various other editions of the rules of peerage a "kingdom" cannot (under any imaginable circumstances) have an "emperor" as its leader, I was again attacked vehemently and with sufficient force for me to immediately end all dealings with your organization. 
 
Shortly thereafter, I joined the GLR as one of its founding members.  The GLR, in my humble opinion, has a much more level-headed and legally-sound approach to the foundation of a true, free and democratic gay state, not one based on fantasy and some sort of urge to play dungeons and dragons on a desolate Pacific atoll most people will never see in their lifetimes and which is realistically unable to support any type of human population, seeing as how it lacks any fresh water, a harbor, or any other resources other than an Australian-built and -owned weather station.
 
I am in possession of copies of some correspondence between you and Viktor, as I am directly involved in this matter because of my position, and must say that for someone who imagines himself of (self-declared) royal stature, you, sir, are about as common as a stick of chewing gum. I also find your personal attacks in various e-mails on Viktors person, including such passages as
 
"Perhaps you could also add to your web site that you are a lonely, insecure effeminate man that listens to gossip and rumour and you could also inform the world on your web site where  your republic is located, I  find it fascinating you have a republic but no territory" altogether distasteful, hateful and objectionable and smacking of character assassination.
 
Have you shared this passage you authored with your solicitor? Did he comment on it and indicate to you that it is absolutely wonderful material for a counterclaim of a personal nature? Were you aware, when you moved your "imperial" hands to type it, that you supplied the world with wonderful insight as to your true character, hateful nature and obvious wish to assassinate the character of others? Did you realize that ths passage alone would be superb material with which to crucify you, the entire Gay Kingdom and all of your "work" to date in the media world-wide? It shows me that you are not in the least bit interested in the welfare of all gay people, but only in the interest of a select handful (likely those who can purchase citienship and supply you with additional income), which is directly contradictory to your organization's stated purpose.
 
Said comment also shows me that you never really read our web materials well, as we state up front that we do not yet have a territory and that that is part of our goal -- to find a place without shenanigans such as proclaiming the dubious (and still not recognized) independence of a coral atoll which cannot sustain any kind of human habitation.  Were your "kingdom" or "empire" (which is it now, you really should decide on one or the other?!) acknowledged diplomatically on the world stage by only one other legitimate government, it would have some credence, but as it currently is nothing more than wishful thinking of a few misguided commoners wishing to obtain noble rank without the requisite breeding and background, it seems to me that you are hardly in a position to be criticizing our efforts, seeing as how your doing so lends credence to the old adage about pots calling kettles black...
 
As a German-born Freiherr or Baron who can trace his lineage back to the year 1039 with documented, published proof and a title to boot, I find your pretentious, unwarranted and technically illicit usage of the title of "emperor" not only ridiculous, demeaning, distasteful and arrogant, but also indicative of someone with an insecure social background attempting to embellish or amplify his status socially. In other words, I feel that you are what the British have for generations referred to as a cad, bounder, and climber. In America we refer to your type as  "wannabe," "goldbricker" and "gold-digger."

Have you ever informed your solicitor and "citizenry" of your habit of comparing yourself with the likes of Queen Elizabeth II. of Great Britain, as you do in the following passage? Or with the duly-elected Chancellor of Germany, an acknowledged, real nation-state, not one of your creation which is less real and honest than our nascent concept of the GLR?
 
"I have posted very few messages on yahoo and these have always been  messages of national importance not messages that respond to gossip...the Chancellor of Germany would not respond to web site gossip, nor would the Queen of England, and I do not intend to either."

I look forward to hearing from you what exactly your next course of intended action is.  I estimate that you are someone who needs to rethink his approach to life in general and should most likely be seeking active psychiatric care. I find that fact that you are willing to squander your proceeds from the sale of two FM radio stations on pursuing legally a nascent organization such as ours for impugning the integrity which you, as outlined above, lack altogether in the first place, very revealing. Were I a licensed psychiatrist, I would indubitably draw the conclusion that you are an insecure person of mean intelligence who is prone to self-aggrandizement and seeks confirmation of personal worth through exploitation of the hopes and dreams of the oppressed and persecuted minorities world wide. As I am not a licensed psychiatrist, I can only conclude that the old adage "a food and his money are soon parted" obviously must be applicable to your person, as only a fool would wish to squander his personal wealth on litigation such as that you are threatening to bring against us.

Allow me also to state at this juncture that if any suit is forthcoming, it will be answered in kind and through legal representation of a much larger caliber than you might anticipate or your property solicitors in Australia might be able to deal with effectively.

Best regards,

Franz Peter Weeren von Werne zu Raffenberg, 41st Freiherr von Werne