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Re: homophobia
« Reply #3 on: Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 00:00 »

The actual requirement is that straights don't live there, not that straights don't want to live there. This is an important differnce -- there are lovely places on this planet which are naturally life-supporting, but not yet developed.

The easiest way is to chose a once settleled and then left place. So we have houses and reports of natural enemys (e.g. hostile animals and germs). So, the first settlers know, what is dangerous and what is not.

Settling e.g. in the Amazonas or in the inner of the Guayanas would eradicate most of the first settlers in a few years. That cannot be the solution.

Some unpopulated lovely places would bring us environmentalists to stop us, as for them, an undisturbed existance of a frog counts more than a life of a gay. That cannot be the solution.

There are only a dozen places, which got left. There we can settle.

But what shall we do, if one day a settler comes, which claims to be gay but is hetero? We cannot kick him out, if he has helped us. And we cannot jail him, if he makes hetero-sex, because than we would sink down to the very low level of straights. So, we better dont chose a too lovely place.

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Re: homophobia
« Reply #2 on: Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 11:53 »

[..] Officially, in Germany, there should be no homophobia at all.

There are several statistics out there, most of them basically suggest that there are some 1/10 to 9/10 of the population in a given country hating the Gays.

For Netherlands, 9% of the population have serious objections to homosexuality, and some 40% feel uncomfortable if they see two men kissing (http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/06/support_for_gay_rights_improve.php).

For Germany, some 17% consider homosexuality to be "immoral" (http://www.stern.de/wissen/mensch/lebensbedingungen-von-homosexuellen-normal-ist-das-nicht-606691.html ). Among schoolboys, 46% of the non-religious and 85% of Moslems consider Gays disgusting (http://www.fr-online.de/wissenschaft/bremer-schuelerumfrage-belegt-homophobie/-/1472788/3266874/-/index.html).

For UK, some 24% think Gays should be put to jai, some 45% are against Gay marriage (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/oct/26/relationships ).

For Belarus, some 63% agree that Gays belong into prison (http://ukgaynews.org.uk/Archive/10/Jun/0701.htm ).

For Russia, some 74% think of Gays as immoral or psychically sick, 84% are against Gay marriage, 40% suggest to put Gays in prison or in mental hospital, 4% are in favor of physical "liquidation" (http://www.levada.ru/press/2010080602.html ).
 
There are a dozen terretorial options where the Gay-State can be. We should agree soon for the site and stop the discussion for the site, which is going on since 2005. We should aggree for the site and start settlement as soon as possible. It is clear, that we can only have success, if we choose a site, which is very sparsly populated. And it should also be clear, that a sparsly populated site on this planet  definitely cannot be a holyday paradise, but truely a piece of land, where straights dont want to live.

I beg to disagree at the necessity of a quick decision. Since all of the places already are controlled by one or another state, we can't just choose one of the places and decide it's going to be ours. Each place, even the most unwelcome and hostile to life, would require previous negotiations. As you say, there are many locations which might be suitable -- among them some with mild climate and low population density. The actual requirement is that straights don't live there, not that straights don't want to live there. This is an important differnce -- there are lovely places on this planet which are naturally life-supporting, but not yet developed.
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« Reply #1 on: Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 00:31 »

homophobia is even in the gay-friendliest countrys. Officially, in Germany, there should be no homophobia at all. But look: Per definitionem, the Number 2 in Germany is the Minister of Foreign Affairs. Nowadays, this post is represented by a gay. He does his work in nothing better or worse than the predecessor. But the people want to kick him off. Not, because he make bad work, not because he is antisocial (that were also many others), not because he is very dominant (that were also many others) - no. The only reason for is unacceptance is his gayness.

So my conclusion: Homophobia is everywhere. It's easier to teach a monkey to read and write than to teach a straight, that a gay is a human and not a lunatic.

A Gay-State has to be errected as soon as possible. There is no other goal than that. We don't need no equalization, we don't need no emancipation, like heterosexual women do. We need quite the opposite of this: We need seperation to prevent assimilation. We need local, logical and administrative seperation.

This is only possible in an own state/country, the Gay-State. There are a dozen terretorial options where the Gay-State can be. We should agree soon for the site and stop the discussion for the site, which is going on since 2005. We should aggree for the site and start settlement as soon as possible. It is clear, that we can only have success, if we choose a site, which is very sparsly populated.  And it should also be clear, that a sparsly populated site on this planet  definitely cannot be a holyday paradise, but truely a piece of land, where straights dont want to live.
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