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External Members Forum / Gay homeland - Why?

« Last post by Louis Parsons on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, 02:29 »

So I came across this group a while back after a friend pointed me towards it.  I have to ask, why do you folks think a gay "homeland" is the way to go?  Why would I (or anybody else) want to live in a nation entirely made up of gay people?  What (beside who and how I fuck) do I really have in common with other gay people that I don't also have in common with straight people?

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Geography, Economy & GLR Politics / Re: Land Ideas (new and old)

« Last post by Louis Parsons on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, 02:25 »

Liberia?  Really?  Is that really a country some of you think you should model yourselves on?

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Gay Homeland - General discussions / Re: Small countries problems: learn from others

« Last post by Mogul on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, 00:06 »

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/20/peru-gives-bolivia-pacific-shore

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Peru gives landlocked Bolivia a piece of Pacific coast to call its own
Peruvian leader, Alan García, signs deal with President Evo Morales allowing Bolivia to build port on small stretch of sand

It might be a strip of sand without even a jetty but a small stretch of the Pacific coast now harbours Bolivia's dream of regaining a coast and becoming a maritime nation.

The landlocked Andean country has won access to a desolate patch of Peru's shoreline, fuelling hopes that Bolivia will once again have a sea to call its own.

President Evo Morales signed a deal yesterday with his Peruvian counterpart, Alan García, allowing Bolivia to build and operate a small port about 10 miles from Peru's southern port of Ilo.

The accord, sealed with declarations of South American brotherhood, was a diplomatic poke at Chile, the neighbour that seized Bolivia's coast and a swath of Peruvian territory in the 1879-84 war of the Pacific.

"It is unjust that Bolivia has no sovereign outlet to the ocean," said García, flanked by Morales in front of lapping waves at Ilo. "This is also a Bolivian sea."

Bolivia's leader said if he ever got married he would spend his honeymoon at the port and holiday resort to be built on the 1.4 square mile patch of sand that La Paz will lease from Lima for 99 years.

"This opens the door for Bolivians to have an international port, to the use of the ocean for global trade and for Bolivian products to have better access to global markets," said Morales. "Bolivia, sooner or later, will return to the sea."

The agreement, a modest step towards Bolivia's maritime dream, marked a reconciliation between Peru's conservative, pro-business leader and Bolivia's outspoken socialist. Morales once called García "fat and not very anti-imperialist".

The deal allows Bolivia to build a dock, moor naval vessels and operate a free trade zone, in theory giving it an alternative to shipping exports such as zinc, tin and silver via Chile.

Some doubt, however, whether Bolivia will follow through with the necessary investment. A similar, albeit more limited, accord in 1992 was trumpeted by Bolivia's then president, Jaime Paz Zamora, but the promised infrastructure never materialised, leaving the sands outside Ilo untouched.

This time may be different. Bolivia's economy is thriving and Morales, an Aymara Indian and the country's first indigenous leader, has promised to restore national pride.

Maritime yearning is expressed by a sign at a Lake Titicaca base where Boliva's tiny, idiosyncratic navy putters in tranquil waters 3,800 metres above sea level. "The sea belongs to us by right, to take it back is our duty."

From his presidential palace at La Paz, Morales, like his predecessors, speaks in front of an antique map showing Bolivia with its pre-1879 coast. White-uniformed sailors serve as his guards of honour.

Chile's seizure of territory still rankles Bolivians and Peruvians, who say there is nothing more dangerous than a Chilean with a map and a pen. Chilean refusals to return some of the territory, as well as jokes about inviting Bolivians to the beach, have not helped salve the wounds.

The presence of a Bolivian among the 33 miners saved in Chile prompted some detente. Chile's president, Sebastián Piñera, speaking from London during a European tour, welcomed "dialogue" with his neighbours but made no mention of concessions. "The past divides us, the future unites us."

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Geography, Economy & GLR Politics / Re: Land Ideas (new and old)

« Last post by joe90 on Sun, Oct 10, 2010, 19:35 »

Africa is big, and there are several regions with moderate climatic conditions (mountains, sea shore). The political situation is, of course, more hostile to Gays than in Europe or Canada. But politics change (for better or worse). Not to forget, Europeans were the ones who imported both the Bible and the homophobia to Africa.

Yes I get your point about the space.... but no way!  Except maybe South Africa which scores highly on gay rights etc...  Plus there is a gay culture there among the cape couloured people. 

We certainly imported the bible but I'm not so sure about the homophobia? 

 

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Geography, Economy & GLR Politics / Re: Land Ideas (new and old)

« Last post by Mogul on Sun, Oct 10, 2010, 14:19 »

Africa is big, and there are several regions with moderate climatic conditions (mountains, sea shore). The political situation is, of course, more hostile to Gays than in Europe or Canada. But politics change (for better or worse). Not to forget, Europeans were the ones who imported both the Bible and the homophobia to Africa.

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Geography, Economy & GLR Politics / Re: Land Ideas (new and old)

« Last post by joe90 on Fri, Oct 08, 2010, 22:56 »

Why not go through the UN processes - The Liberia and Israel examples come in handy. I also think we look for places without "extreme" temperatures. Negotiating with an African State on the basis of semi-autonomy would be quite appealing.

I very much agree about the extreme temperatures!  The whole point of the project would be to improve the quality of peoples lives!!

Going through the UN processes is a little naive, I have to say.  It would never be taken seriously in a million years...

Also I am going nowhere, NOWHERE! Near Africa... It would be a massacre for sure!!!

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Gay Culture / Re: Gay Music

« Last post by Mogul on Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 23:12 »

Look to this one (Cazwell 'Ice Cream Truck'):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfoeuOUoaEM

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Open Forum / Re: Archiving Topics

« Last post by Mogul on Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 23:01 »

I have moved a number of minor topics to the archive section.

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Geography, Economy & GLR Politics / Re: Land Ideas (new and old)

« Last post by joachim999 on Wed, Sep 29, 2010, 22:44 »

Why not go through the UN processes - The Liberia and Israel examples come in handy. I also think we look for places without "extreme" temperatures. Negotiating with an African State on the basis of semi-autonomy would be quite appealing.

In Africa, in most of the states is a prohibition of sexual acts between men. So this continent would be - besides the caribic - last choice. In Uganda, Sudan und some other states, sexual acts between men were condemned by death-penalty.

A good choice would be a region with very low homophobia, like the polar regions, South-America and perhaps Europe (Time is going well after Lushkov (i.e. the homophobian Governor of Moscow) got fired).

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Geography, Economy & GLR Politics / Re: Land Ideas (new and old)

« Last post by ex-kenyan on Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 10:06 »

Why not go through the UN processes - The Liberia and Israel examples come in handy. I also think we look for places without "extreme" temperatures. Negotiating with an African State on the basis of semi-autonomy would be quite appealing.